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  • Episode,  Podcast,  Season 1

    An Accidental Rant on Christianity with a Kind, Patient, Open-minded Pastor Who Took it Well

    Most of the time on the Interesting Lives of Normal People, we try to dig into the stories of our guests to find out what they’re all about, what’s been on their mind, and what they ‘just need to get out into the world.’ This podcast turned out to be a bit of the reverse. In this episode with Dr. David Burke, mentor and friend of Jake’s, and a long-time pastor, it’s as though we were the ones doing the sharing. Especially about the church and American Christianity today.  Surprise, surprise: talking about Christianity and the church (*during COVID*) struck some nerves and David opened up the space for us…

  • Podcast,  Season 1

    Take Long Walks. And Other Mindblowing Creativity Tips from Normals in the Advertising World.

    Here’s something of a truth: ‘normal’ people don’t make commercials for a living. They don’t write 30-second spots featuring Muppets talking on a Facebook Portal, they don’t have their words read by Arnold Schwarzeneggar, they don’t direct actors in Romania over Zoom, and they definitely don’t have their work seen by millions of people watching March Madness.  Husband and wife duo, Andy and Elly Holdeman, are two normals that do these very things. They market some of the most recognizable brands in the world–AirBNB, Facebook, XBOX–and, not surprisingly (given what we learned about their job to find human truth), they shared some very recognizable (even normal) facets about their lives:…

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